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Historian, Researcher, and Investigator

Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:47 PM EST
american-history, not-news, ancestry, war-of-1812, french-and-indian-war
By MsAubrey

1713-ish Territory Map

French-Indian War Map

War of 1812 Map

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This is what I feel like I'm trying to be when looking for my ancestry. Have you ever researched your ancestry? I'm finding holes. Those holes make me believe that my gut is right. Let me start from the beginning…
My great-grandmother was 95 when she passed. Up until her husband had passed, she was very aware and had her wits about her. He was 89 when he passed and she was 92 [yup, he went for an older gal].  Anyways, she had told many of us that we were Iroquois from Montreal, Canada area. Her family was of [known] French decent. She had given my grandfather a copper bracelet. It has the Ojibwe [Anishinaabe] Thunderbird on each link. I now have that bracelet. Reading up on the Iroquois and Ojibwe history, it's very possible that the Iroquois that my granny was referring to, was of the portion that disbanded from the Iroquois Confederacy and joined the Ojibwe in their fight against the English to keep their land in Michigan and parts of Canada. Because of course during that time, that was French "Territory". Guess it's a good thing that the French befriended the Natives, eh?
Well, in my quest, I've been reading up on "American History". Most of which has been from the Seven Years War - North American Theatre [French and Indian War], the American Revolution [incl. War], and the War of 1812… So far anyways. In what I've read thus far, it's putting together a story that would fit with my theoretical view of my ancestry.
The names I find in 3 of the 4 corners of my family are of French decent [even the Belgium relatives were French, I've found out]. I haven't dug too far into the Adams [4th corner] of my family yet. That will play a bit more difficult considering it's such a common name. It's rumored that we are related to 2nd US President John Adams, his son 6th US President John Quincy, and so on. It would make sense considering they were against slavery, befriended the French and were for the Native Americans keeping their land. Further down that bloodline, Charles Francis Adams Jr. was part of the Union Army during the American Civil War.
On to my theoretical view [considering I have a TON of digging to do still]…
Sometime prior to the Seven Years War – North American Theatre [French and Indian War], I believe is where my North American family started. I use North American as a general whole here. My French family was in Canada before migrating south to the US [Michigan mainly… Some in Wisconsin and some in Vermont]. I think the French family met the Ojibwe in Michigan and had a grand ol' time.  I still, to this day, have a sneaking suspicion, my family helped some of the African-American slaves, evade the southern states, prior to the American Civil War, and had some fun times there too.  Unfortunately, these things seem difficult to trace considering, the name would still be French no matter who the men got together with and married. I just need to suck it up and do the blood test to determine what's there and what's not. To me, $150 doesn't seem overly expensive to learn of my family history/ancestry... I just need to have $150 I can use for that. I'm one that prioritizes things and this is [sadly] towards the bottom of said list.

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MsAubrey

I sometimes feel like I need someone elses perspective.

Thanks for reading! Feel free to comment and maybe you'll be able to give some insight or something for me to think about further. ☺

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:50 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Ms. Aubrey: Stay away from the History TV channel.

Every show is by definition a repeat.

If you want new content. stick with the Sci Fi Channel.

Enoch, breaking new ground.

P.S. You may want to read my book. "The Past, and How it Got There". Retrodiction Press Anytown, USA.

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:54 PM EST
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Al-316

MsAubrey, I am excited for you. I too have done family history tracing such as you describe many years ago. I stopped when I ran out of leads.

It sounds like you have a path still to follow. The satisfaction of discovering an ancestor or a connection is a satisfaction unlike any other. I envy you.

I also reached a point when I discovered that when I die, all the documentation and research I have accumulated will likely be buried with me because no one else has any interest. That is the saddest discovery I made.

Good luck to you, my friend.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:09 PM EST
MsAubrey

I'm glad to say that my family is very interested.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:53 PM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Al: Seriously, my last name in real life dated me back to the Sephardic community of the Rabbi Yitzhaki in Sepharad in Biblical and post Biblical Israel.

They were mystics. I am not.

Enoch.

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:56 PM EST
Al-316

Enoch, does your information connect you with a specifc tribe?

  • 2 votes
#2.3 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:08 AM EST
Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Al: I am of the Levi Tribe (Temple Administrators). How do I know this?

Kohanim (Priestly tribe) perform certain rituals on the Shabbat (Sabbath) and other High Holy Days. So do Levi'im. For example, three days a week at dawn blessings, people are called to the Torah, to recite a pre and post Torah reading blessing. The second of those called is always a Levi. Also, on Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement's) the Levi washes the Kohen prior to the Kohen reciting the Birkat Kohanim (Duchan) the Priestly blessing. This is for symbolic ritual purification. The job doesn't pay very well, but over six thousand years, it is steady work. This knowledge of, and attention to ritual performance by Kohanim and Levi'im is handed down from generation to generation, to keep alive and intact the tradition.

My name in Hebrew is Avraham Ben Moshe Ha Levi (Abraham, son of Moses, the Levi).

Peace and Blessings. Enoch with a wash cloth and a bar of Ivory soap.

  • 2 votes
#2.4 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:19 AM EST
Al-316

Enoch, thank you for sharing. Your family is to be commended that they recognized the significance of tribal heritage and passed this information through the generations. Apparently not everyone agrees with me on this. You have made my day, good friend. Thank you, again.

  • 2 votes
#2.5 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:20 PM EST
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Kavika

Your sure on the right track MsAubrey. There is a long history between the Ojibwe and French. For many years they controlled the ''fur trade''..Intermarriage between the French and Ojibwe and Cree was very common. Upper Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota were ''fur trading'' hot spots. In fact Grand Forks ND and E. Grand Forks MN. are divied by the Red River and the Name Grand Forks is taken from the French for two rivers meeting. The braclet you have showing the Thunderbird of the Ojibwe is great. The French/Ojibwe relationship goes back to the late 1600's..Another area that you might want to investigate is the Metis people. They are of French/Ojibwe or French/Cree and some are Scottish/Ojibwe/Cree..I don't know if there are any Metis in Michigan but there are in Minnesota.

Hope you can find out more about your heritage. Exciting isn't it? Best of luck to you.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:23 PM EST
MsAubrey

Thanks for the info Kav!

I'm trying to think of other places I can search... I have a membership with ancestry.com, but it's only good until April now. I've talked to my family about maybe chipping in some funds so I can get another year on it... If I could get enough funds together, I could continue into the Canadian roots as well. International registration is about $100 more for the year than the US only.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:05 PM EST
MsAubrey

Many Métis families continue to show up in the U.S. Census in the historical Métis settlements areas along the Detroit & St. Clair Rivers, Mackinac Island, and Sault Ste. Marie in Michigan, as well as Green Bay in Wisconsin. Métis settlements existed all along the Allegheny and Ohio rivers and their tributaries as evidenced by the French names of the many towns and villages in these areas.

Kav, above is one of the first things I found... Interesting... Very interesting indeed. All the places my family STILL resides.......... Coincidence?

  • 2 votes
#3.2 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:41 PM EST
Kavika

No, not a coincidence at all....Goggle Metis history..Their center was the Red River Valley in Manitoba and extended to all the places you've named including Minnesota. We, the Ojibwe, share a reservaions with them named ''Rocky Boy''...

Also research the various reservations in the area and they have records showing who lived there. I found my Grandmothers records on the Red Lake Reservations, dated 1873. You can also go to Indian Country Today on the internet and they have information how to search out relatives that are Indian..

When you goggle the Metis it will tell you about Louis Riel who was the founder of Manitoba and Metis. He is considered by some a hero, others a tratior. One of the most contraversial figures in Canadian history.

  • 3 votes
#3.3 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:54 PM EST
MsAubrey

I just found a name that I'm familiar with from my ancestry.com family tree!!!!

I WILL be doing more searches now for sure!!!

  • 2 votes
#3.4 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:12 PM EST
Kavika

Good, I hope that my information was helpful. If I think of anything else I'll let you know. Indian records can be goggled, no charge...

  • 3 votes
#3.5 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:18 PM EST
MsAubrey

The first name was what I remembered... Apparently there were a lot of Jean Baptiste's and Therese Marie's back then, but it STILL lead me to find a military record of one of my ancestors that fought with the NA's against the English in Montreal anyhow. ☺

Someone contacted me via ancestry.com messaging for another corner of my family. He gave me an email to a long distant relative, still living in Canada that can help me with my Canadian branches! How awesome is that??? I guess his wife is technically the Hétu relation, but gave me the email to a cousin of hers that has done a lot of research already. ☺ That would keep me from having to pay for the International Research portion!

Yet another corner of my tree, I dead ended. What makes me go, "hmm" with that one is that what triggered me to dig farther was a WOMAN's name... Silent Hart. It dead ended at her grandfather born in 1687 in Massachusetts and died 1778, still in MA. I have his parents names, but there are no birth dates or death dates...

That makes sense to me because who recorded birth or death dates before the Europeans came here??? Or marriage???

I figure I will be doing much more research, but the things I'm finding just from your info, is most certainly interesting to say the least. ☺

  • 1 vote
#3.6 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:37 PM EST
Kavika

Sounds great, hope you can keep turning up additional information.

No, NA's did not record births and deaths. It was generally recognized as a certain season, or big event that they could connect with around the time they were born.

Please keep me updated on your findings.

  • 1 vote
#3.7 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:10 PM EST
Pat from Montana

Ms Aubrey The other day I was running through ancestry dot com, and a lot of articles. I can't remember specifically which article or what it was on but the part that grabbed my attention was this.

"When searching your ancenstry remember that correct language and spelling hundreds of years ago is rare. Do not look for specific spelling but look at all variations of a name."

for example my last name is Letendre but would also look for Latendre, latender LaTendre, etc.

or Bertrand would be betrand betrande, etc. or maybe even totally misspelled such as betrang

I hope this helps some. Keep on that search.

And if I happened to read that here on the vine I am really losing my mind.

  • 1 vote
#3.8 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:20 PM EST
MsAubrey

There's been TONS of name changes in my family Pat. With the exception of ONE. I traced my dad's last name with the one known name change [transposition of 2 letters] and traced it back to the early 1600's in Belgium and France so far. That's a d@mn long time to have only one change.

  • 1 vote
#3.9 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:59 AM EST
Pat from Montana

Wow wow only one name change is impressive, not mention making your job a lot easier.

  • 1 vote
#3.10 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:40 PM EST
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etva

Enjoyed the read, Mrs. A. I find genealogy fascinating - both mine and others.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:30 PM EST
MsAubrey

I think I need a history buff now though. ☺

I'm terrible at remembering history. Not that I'm not interested in it, but I have to write everything down. That takes up a lot of time!

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:06 PM EST
etva

True, but for me, putting family members into that history is so very interesting.

  • 4 votes
#4.2 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:49 PM EST
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MoonCrow

Ms Aubrey ... I so enjoyed your read on tracing ones ancestors. I have been doing so for almost 20 years ... it's an ongoing task ... and looking for long dead ancestors? Well, you can keep looking for as long as you can, 'cause they really aren't going anywhere :-)

Anyway, I have learned a lot ... felt elation over discoveries ... and defeat over "brick walls" ... and utter disappointment when a lead runs cold. So here is some kindly advice:

1. NEVER give up. Consider your research like one big puzzle that may not have a solution, but keep trying to solve it.

2. NEVER assume anything. Look for facts. Family supposings may be very off track from the truth, but as I have learned, they can also be a clue to the truth. Seek records that can at least prove where someone was in some time frame, like census, church, etc.

3. Network with any folks you may find who are looking for the same "line" ... they can often fill in a lot of holes.

4. Browse the Library of Congress ... they often have credible "snips" of information or even life stories.

5. Consider donating your research to a local library if you have no one who wants it.

Good Luck!

  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:30 PM EST
MsAubrey

Thank you for the advise.

I love this because it is like a big puzzle. Like I mentioned above, I just received a message from the husband of a distant relative in Canada. I'm excited to hear more from his wife's cousin. I've been tracking several others on ancestry.com like you suggest in #3.

Library of Congress is someplace I haven't tried yet.

And #5, I will take into consideration if my kids aren't interested... But I'll still keep a tree, just in case someone else down the line doesn't want to have to work as hard as I have. ☺

Thanks again!

  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:42 PM EST
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Pat from Montana

Very interesting MsAubrey and thank you for letting us have a peek into your personal history. I hope your search gives you all you are looking for.

  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:05 PM EST
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